Schaerer VS. UNIC? and What about WMF? 2 step machines - Barista Exchange2024-03-28T13:55:59Zhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/schaerer-vs-unic-and-what-about-wmf-2-step-machines?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A1456994&feed=yes&xn_auth=noCorrection the Unic Tango for…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2016-12-19:1688216:Comment:16041332016-12-19T02:00:39.400ZJoel Cohenhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JoelCohen435
<p>Correction the Unic Tango for production volume</p>
<p>Duo twin, coffee heads with 80 mm grinder bures- Extra heavy production</p>
<p>Solo single head, 80 mmgrinder burs Heavy production</p>
<p>Uno single head, 64 mm grinder burrs medium production</p>
<p>Correction the Unic Tango for production volume</p>
<p>Duo twin, coffee heads with 80 mm grinder bures- Extra heavy production</p>
<p>Solo single head, 80 mmgrinder burs Heavy production</p>
<p>Uno single head, 64 mm grinder burrs medium production</p> Thermoplan machines
This com…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2016-12-18:1688216:Comment:16039802016-12-18T19:02:29.449ZJoel Cohenhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JoelCohen435
<p><span>Thermoplan machines</span></p>
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<p><span>This company in Switzerland has been around a long time </span></p>
<p><span>They make strong equipment </span></p>
<p><span>it is one of the reasons Star bucks bought into the company some years ago </span></p>
<p><span>there a many supersaturation machines companies in Switzerland and Germany </span></p>
<p><span>some of the Swiss Co are owned by German Corporations </span></p>
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<p><span>There are not as many service companies…</span></p>
<p><span>Thermoplan machines</span></p>
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<p><span>This company in Switzerland has been around a long time </span></p>
<p><span>They make strong equipment </span></p>
<p><span>it is one of the reasons Star bucks bought into the company some years ago </span></p>
<p><span>there a many supersaturation machines companies in Switzerland and Germany </span></p>
<p><span>some of the Swiss Co are owned by German Corporations </span></p>
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<p><span>There are not as many service companies supporting this company as some other main line mfg because of the small amount of broad based users </span></p>
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<p><span>Shearer and there syster Co WMF out of Fla. is probably the only single mfg that has nation wide service because of there National account base </span></p>
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<p><span>The main line mfg from Italy that make traditional and supper automatic usually have a stronger national service net work as they work with all types of coffee operators </span></p>
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<p><span>and there sales go through distributes as well as factory direct on national or world wide accounts </span></p> I wanted to follow up my comm…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2016-12-18:1688216:Comment:16040482016-12-18T18:48:40.060ZJoel Cohenhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JoelCohen435
<p>I wanted to follow up my comments on your questions on the diffrent mfg and the models the different model Shearer</p>
<p>The Ambeante is much older technolege then the coffee Art and the Coffee Art Plus, If I was going with a Sheaer it would be the Coffee Art</p>
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<p>Unic , Very Heavey dudy machine </p>
<p>the SWolo being the heaver then the Duo</p>
<p>the Solo has 80 mm burrs this meansd faster gringing and more production in same time </p>
<p>the heated medel brew group will last 3…</p>
<p>I wanted to follow up my comments on your questions on the diffrent mfg and the models the different model Shearer</p>
<p>The Ambeante is much older technolege then the coffee Art and the Coffee Art Plus, If I was going with a Sheaer it would be the Coffee Art</p>
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<p>Unic , Very Heavey dudy machine </p>
<p>the SWolo being the heaver then the Duo</p>
<p>the Solo has 80 mm burrs this meansd faster gringing and more production in same time </p>
<p>the heated medel brew group will last 3 times longer then a plastic Shearer </p>
<p>6,5 litter boiler with 4500 to 5500 watts means none stop steam production</p>
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<p>If you want price and reliabelity buy a Shearer</p>
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<p>If you want High fast production and real great espresso with non stop steam buy the UNic</p>
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<p>The new Faema X30 is also a great selection it is inbetween the Shearer and the Unic</p>
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<p>less cost then the Unic and a lot more production and better Italian espresso then the Shearer also as large 74 mm burrs with 2 boilers one for steam one for coffee, It has self adjusting grinders with heated steal brew group like the Unic</p> If you need fast high product…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2016-12-17:1688216:Comment:16039762016-12-17T21:02:52.325ZJoel Cohenhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JoelCohen435
<p>If you need fast high production </p>
<p>look at the Unic Tango Dua</p>
<p>It has 2 brew groups and large 80 mm Mahlkong grinders</p>
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<p>delivers very very fast coffee and plenty of steam power grinder </p>
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<p>cont me if you need to at </p>
<p>joel@absoluteespresso.com</p>
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<p>If you need fast high production </p>
<p>look at the Unic Tango Dua</p>
<p>It has 2 brew groups and large 80 mm Mahlkong grinders</p>
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<p>delivers very very fast coffee and plenty of steam power grinder </p>
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<p>cont me if you need to at </p>
<p>joel@absoluteespresso.com</p>
<p></p> They both have good factory s…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2016-12-17:1688216:Comment:16040472016-12-17T20:59:16.421ZJoel Cohenhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JoelCohen435
<p>They both have good factory support services</p>
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<p>the They are both reliable with good track record</p>
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<p>Unic has been in the US market longer then Sheraer </p>
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<p>Unic started in the US with Illy Cafe coffee going into Chess cake factory restaurants nation and world wide for years </p>
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<p>Sherear is based in Long Beach CA Unic in north of Seattle Washington</p>
<p>both on the west coast </p>
<p>They both have good factory support services</p>
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<p>the They are both reliable with good track record</p>
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<p>Unic has been in the US market longer then Sheraer </p>
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<p>Unic started in the US with Illy Cafe coffee going into Chess cake factory restaurants nation and world wide for years </p>
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<p>Sherear is based in Long Beach CA Unic in north of Seattle Washington</p>
<p>both on the west coast </p> the Unic is built much heaver…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2016-12-17:1688216:Comment:16039142016-12-17T20:56:05.218ZJoel Cohenhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JoelCohen435
<p>the Unic is built much heaver then the Shearer </p>
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<p>univ has a heated steal brew group, Shearer has plastic</p>
<p>the Unic is built much heaver then the Shearer </p>
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<p>univ has a heated steal brew group, Shearer has plastic</p> Thanks for your interest! Pl…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2013-04-24:1688216:Comment:14623642013-04-24T00:35:09.500ZBrian Cornelsenhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/BrianCornelsen
<p>Thanks for your interest! Please reach out and give me a call with any quesitons four, one, five 310-9982.</p>
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<p>If you go with the Tango Duo, you are essentially getting two 80mm Ditting grinders and a full sized boiler. For service, we would include a comprehensive service plan with your machine and would take care of all the PMs, calibration, and training, etc. </p>
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<p>If you have a line that won't quit, then the Tango is the best available option on the market. The…</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest! Please reach out and give me a call with any quesitons four, one, five 310-9982.</p>
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<p>If you go with the Tango Duo, you are essentially getting two 80mm Ditting grinders and a full sized boiler. For service, we would include a comprehensive service plan with your machine and would take care of all the PMs, calibration, and training, etc. </p>
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<p>If you have a line that won't quit, then the Tango is the best available option on the market. The Duo can do the job of 3 Coffee Arts and has great shots. The Schaerer has good milk and is less expensive.</p> Austin Lee Decker said:
Evers…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2013-04-22:1688216:Comment:14618812013-04-22T01:33:36.668ZBradyhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Brady
<p><cite>Austin Lee Decker said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/schaerer-vs-unic-and-what-about-wmf-2-step-machines?page=3&commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A1461959&x=1#1688216Comment1461959"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Eversys was at Boston at the exhibit apparently, and they (Eversys general email address) said their product was very well received...</p>
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<p>Of course they did.</p>
<p>You know, I was at the Boston…</p>
<p><cite>Austin Lee Decker said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/schaerer-vs-unic-and-what-about-wmf-2-step-machines?page=3&commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A1461959&x=1#1688216Comment1461959"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Eversys was at Boston at the exhibit apparently, and they (Eversys general email address) said their product was very well received...</p>
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<p>Of course they did.</p>
<p>You know, I was at the Boston exhibit too. Walked every aisle and talked to everyone that looked interesting. I don't recall seeing these guys. I wonder what name they were there under, because I don't see them on the exhibitor list. Hmmm...</p> Lets say I had access to good…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2013-04-20:1688216:Comment:14619592013-04-20T21:53:12.226ZAustin Lee Deckerhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/AustinLeeDecker
<p>Lets say I had access to good Franke servicers and parts and good Schaerer servicers and parts and good Thermoplan servicers and parts with Franke and Thermoplan servicers and parts being the closest to me. I do not have an issue with a servicer or parts, but I am curious now about the performance of individual machines.</p>
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<p>Eversys was at Boston at the exhibit apparently, and they (Eversys general email address) said their product was very well received, and that makes me very…</p>
<p>Lets say I had access to good Franke servicers and parts and good Schaerer servicers and parts and good Thermoplan servicers and parts with Franke and Thermoplan servicers and parts being the closest to me. I do not have an issue with a servicer or parts, but I am curious now about the performance of individual machines.</p>
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<p>Eversys was at Boston at the exhibit apparently, and they (Eversys general email address) said their product was very well received, and that makes me very curious about it.</p>
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<p>Schaerer claims to have a modular build construction, does that make their machine on the same level as Thermoplan? (Scratch the service side of things)</p> Austin, I have not heard of t…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2013-04-20:1688216:Comment:14619522013-04-20T17:46:26.903ZMike Sabolhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/MikeSabol
<p>Austin, I have not heard of the Eversys but I just looked at them and they look a bit like the Thermoplan machines. </p>
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<p>I can't speak for Scott but he and I used to work together supporting a great many Thermoplan machines so I can take a stab at why he might say Thermoplan was superior. I think it has to do with the modularity of the units. Many of the functions of the machine are separated into mechanically discrete units that can be worked on independently. This allows for…</p>
<p>Austin, I have not heard of the Eversys but I just looked at them and they look a bit like the Thermoplan machines. </p>
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<p>I can't speak for Scott but he and I used to work together supporting a great many Thermoplan machines so I can take a stab at why he might say Thermoplan was superior. I think it has to do with the modularity of the units. Many of the functions of the machine are separated into mechanically discrete units that can be worked on independently. This allows for better control of the temperature of the coffee brewing water and allows greater longevity of some of the parts because they're not serving double duty, helping in both the hot water AND steam systems, for instance.</p>
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<p>Now, in my opinion, what that gets you, the end user, is very little. The Black & Whites still need the regular and expensive preventative maintenance like every other superauto. And if they don't get it they break down. Just like every other super auto. They also have their own ideosyncracies and steep learning curve, as Eric pointed out in the quote from Brady above. Parts and service end up being a bigger issue than individual machine performance.</p>
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<p>The coffee they make is a *little* better than the others, when they are set up perfectly and the stars are aligned When things are not set up perfectly and the starts are not aligned then the mediocre coffee they make is the same as every other super auto. And even when they are pulling the best coffee they can I would never send my fancy Intelligencia Black Cat or Stumptown Hairbender espresso through them.</p>
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<p>So, ultimately, my advice remains the same. Talk to your tech and make sure that whatever superauto program you implement is something your tech can support with his experience and parts access.</p>