naked filter madness! - Barista Exchange2024-03-29T00:44:26Zhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A690252&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAfter much lusting, I got a n…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-12-09:1688216:Comment:7159742009-12-09T16:09:10.411ZJacob Casellahttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JacobCasella
After much lusting, I got a naked portafilter on my Linnea last week. After just a few shots, I'd adjusted my dosing/distributing/tamping to get better, less channel-y shots more consistently...every barista that's used it has commented on it; for a fairly experienced staff, it's awesome to have such a transparent self-training tool. I do notice some differences in the shot quality in the cup--it seems to veer towards the sourish side of acidity sometimes. There's also slightly more volume and…
After much lusting, I got a naked portafilter on my Linnea last week. After just a few shots, I'd adjusted my dosing/distributing/tamping to get better, less channel-y shots more consistently...every barista that's used it has commented on it; for a fairly experienced staff, it's awesome to have such a transparent self-training tool. I do notice some differences in the shot quality in the cup--it seems to veer towards the sourish side of acidity sometimes. There's also slightly more volume and persistent creaminess to the crema, and definitely more defined reddish color. I wouldn't want to weigh in yet on whether this is (marginally) better or worse for the espresso, but as a sexy training tool that still makes highly servable shots, I'm quite impressed. I dream about setting up some complicated system of mirrors or videocamera/screens so that crew and customers can more readily watch the naked extraction...that'll probably have to wait. I use a linea 2grp and keep 3…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-12-07:1688216:Comment:7078552009-12-07T17:26:23.527Zstephen j brownhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/stephenjbrown
I use a linea 2grp and keep 3 portafilters on hand a spouted double fitted with a LM ridged Triple basket, a Chopped LM with the same and a spouted single with a cone shaped single basket. I use the single basket primarily to "season" after chemical backflush, as the "single espresso" I'd serve would almost always be a very ristretto triple cut short.<br />
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I think its impossible to avoid the diagnostic value of the Bottomless. You can tell by color, crema density, and a number of other factors if…
I use a linea 2grp and keep 3 portafilters on hand a spouted double fitted with a LM ridged Triple basket, a Chopped LM with the same and a spouted single with a cone shaped single basket. I use the single basket primarily to "season" after chemical backflush, as the "single espresso" I'd serve would almost always be a very ristretto triple cut short.<br />
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I think its impossible to avoid the diagnostic value of the Bottomless. You can tell by color, crema density, and a number of other factors if your temperature/dose are dialed in well, so you can add an additional and less subjective metrics when dialing in a fresh roast batch or new blend.<br />
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As far as the actual flavor in the cup, I think bottomless wins out only in milk drinks, where the higher apparent acidity allows the espresso to be more obvious in the drink. I'm not sure this means better however.<br />
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I find that in general the bottomless shot is brighter and less rounded out when drunk as basic espresso.<br />
just my 2c on our single. we dose around…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-11-22:1688216:Comment:6941472009-11-22T16:53:56.547ZChris Tellezhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/meangreenbean
on our single. we dose around 9g. to get to 1 1/4 oz. it takes around twenty to thirty sconds. depending on the day, grind, dose, etc. I still think it rocks though. I get better tasting singles out of that then I would splitting a double.<br />
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<cite>Kevin Ayers said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A688611&page=-1#1688216Comment692810"><div>When I say there is just no way, it's just my opinion based on my own…</div>
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on our single. we dose around 9g. to get to 1 1/4 oz. it takes around twenty to thirty sconds. depending on the day, grind, dose, etc. I still think it rocks though. I get better tasting singles out of that then I would splitting a double.<br />
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<cite>Kevin Ayers said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A688611&page=-1#1688216Comment692810"><div>When I say there is just no way, it's just my opinion based on my own tastes/experiences.<br/><br/>How long does it take to extract the 1.25oz of liquid you're getting from those?<br/><br/><cite>Chris Weybright said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A688611&page=2#1688216Comment692370"><div>Why do you think there is "just no way" to make good shots with a single spout/basket? We do it every day. Takes some practice, and produces a different kind of shot than the super-dense and concentrated double ristretto, but it is definitely possible to make good coffee.<br/><br/>Our singles float from 8-10g, dosing-wise, and we pour about an 1 1/4oz.<br/><br/>Mazzer Robur E, and an Arduino Adonis 3 group.</div>
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</blockquote> When I say there is just no w…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-11-20:1688216:Comment:6928102009-11-20T15:43:12.983ZKevin Ayershttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/KevinAyers
When I say there is just no way, it's just my opinion based on my own tastes/experiences.<br />
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How long does it take to extract the 1.25oz of liquid you're getting from those?<br />
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<cite>Chris Weybright said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A688611&page=2#1688216Comment692370"><div>Why do you think there is "just no way" to make good shots with a single spout/basket? We do it every day. Takes some practice, and produces a…</div>
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When I say there is just no way, it's just my opinion based on my own tastes/experiences.<br />
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How long does it take to extract the 1.25oz of liquid you're getting from those?<br />
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<cite>Chris Weybright said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A688611&page=2#1688216Comment692370"><div>Why do you think there is "just no way" to make good shots with a single spout/basket? We do it every day. Takes some practice, and produces a different kind of shot than the super-dense and concentrated double ristretto, but it is definitely possible to make good coffee.<br/> <br/>
Our singles float from 8-10g, dosing-wise, and we pour about an 1 1/4oz.<br/>
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Mazzer Robur E, and an Arduino Adonis 3 group.</div>
</blockquote> Why do you think there is "ju…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-11-19:1688216:Comment:6923702009-11-19T23:33:38.001ZChris Weybrighthttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/ChrisWeybright
Why do you think there is "just no way" to make good shots with a single spout/basket? We do it every day. Takes some practice, and produces a different kind of shot than the super-dense and concentrated double ristretto, but it is definitely possible to make good coffee.<br />
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Our singles float from 8-10g, dosing-wise, and we pour about an 1 1/4oz.<br />
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Mazzer Robur E, and an Arduino Adonis 3 group.
Why do you think there is "just no way" to make good shots with a single spout/basket? We do it every day. Takes some practice, and produces a different kind of shot than the super-dense and concentrated double ristretto, but it is definitely possible to make good coffee.<br />
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Our singles float from 8-10g, dosing-wise, and we pour about an 1 1/4oz.<br />
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Mazzer Robur E, and an Arduino Adonis 3 group. when i use the single ones, n…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-11-19:1688216:Comment:6918582009-11-19T15:53:56.118Zmark konczhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/markkoncz
when i use the single ones, need to have different grind and dose as well, to get good result.<br />
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<cite>Mike Benis said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://baristaexchange.ning.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A688611&page=2#1688216Comment691726"><div>Single baskets may require a different grind from a double or triple, depending on the bean</div>
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when i use the single ones, need to have different grind and dose as well, to get good result.<br />
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<cite>Mike Benis said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://baristaexchange.ning.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A688611&page=2#1688216Comment691726"><div>Single baskets may require a different grind from a double or triple, depending on the bean</div>
</blockquote> Single baskets may require a…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-11-19:1688216:Comment:6917262009-11-19T09:46:00.981ZMike Benishttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/MikeBenis
Single baskets may require a different grind from a double or triple, depending on the bean
Single baskets may require a different grind from a double or triple, depending on the bean we use a single elektra filte…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-11-19:1688216:Comment:6914972009-11-19T01:44:29.488ZChris Tellezhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/meangreenbean
we use a single elektra filter that holds around 7 grams and get wicked shots. maybe were lucky. our blend maybe? i don't know exactly why, but it rocks.<br />
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<cite>Kevin Ayers said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness#1688216Comment691123"><div>A sub-question... Is anyone actually using those single shot baskets that come with all machines? you know, the ones that have a very small area for delivery and hold roughly 7g of grounds? I think there…</div>
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we use a single elektra filter that holds around 7 grams and get wicked shots. maybe were lucky. our blend maybe? i don't know exactly why, but it rocks.<br />
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<cite>Kevin Ayers said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/naked-filter-madness#1688216Comment691123"><div>A sub-question... Is anyone actually using those single shot baskets that come with all machines? you know, the ones that have a very small area for delivery and hold roughly 7g of grounds? I think there is just no way to make good shots with those fawkers.<br/> <br/>
Our shops all have 3 group marzoccos, and we have 1 bottomless at every store. It is not mandatory for our baristas to use them, but most do as they realize the potential for better/fuller tasting shots. We still keep at least one double basket/double spout porta filter, and one triple basket/spouted porta filter on at all times. As I stated above, we NEVER use the single shot baskets or spouts. IMHO they are crap.</div>
</blockquote> I'm with you on the singles:…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-11-18:1688216:Comment:6911832009-11-18T20:14:58.629ZFraser Jamiesonhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/FraserJamieson
I'm with you on the singles: they just don't taste good to me. Maybe it's just me, but I never got great results.<br />
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From small-basket lever machines, I've had good singles, but not too often from 58mm machines.<br />
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Where I work, they use splitters which are dented, have broken handles, and baskets which spew grounds...so, I carry my own portafilter to work. I'm using a spoutless, but not bottomless one. Very happy with what I'm getting, especially now that I have a Reg Barber Ripple to fit…
I'm with you on the singles: they just don't taste good to me. Maybe it's just me, but I never got great results.<br />
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From small-basket lever machines, I've had good singles, but not too often from 58mm machines.<br />
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Where I work, they use splitters which are dented, have broken handles, and baskets which spew grounds...so, I carry my own portafilter to work. I'm using a spoutless, but not bottomless one. Very happy with what I'm getting, especially now that I have a Reg Barber Ripple to fit it.<br />
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Someone suggested reading what someone else said about singles but I've not gotten around to that yet. A sub-question... Is anyone a…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2009-11-18:1688216:Comment:6911232009-11-18T18:49:30.325ZKevin Ayershttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/KevinAyers
A sub-question... Is anyone actually using those single shot baskets that come with all machines? you know, the ones that have a very small area for delivery and hold roughly 7g of grounds? I think there is just no way to make good shots with those fawkers.<br />
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Our shops all have 3 group marzoccos, and we have 1 bottomless at every store. It is not mandatory for our baristas to use them, but most do as they realize the potential for better/fuller tasting shots. We still keep at least one double…
A sub-question... Is anyone actually using those single shot baskets that come with all machines? you know, the ones that have a very small area for delivery and hold roughly 7g of grounds? I think there is just no way to make good shots with those fawkers.<br />
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Our shops all have 3 group marzoccos, and we have 1 bottomless at every store. It is not mandatory for our baristas to use them, but most do as they realize the potential for better/fuller tasting shots. We still keep at least one double basket/double spout porta filter, and one triple basket/spouted porta filter on at all times. As I stated above, we NEVER use the single shot baskets or spouts. IMHO they are crap.