Guy or girl barista? - Barista Exchange2024-03-29T11:06:21Zhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A959644&feed=yes&xn_auth=nowork ethic is up to the indiv…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-12-17:1688216:Comment:9852642010-12-17T16:17:59.819Zryan mcdougallhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/ryanmcdougall
work ethic is up to the individual, not the sex. I've worked with lazy men and women, and motivated men and women. I'm sure we all have.<br />
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Sex sells? Well it depends on the sexual preference of the customer. It's 50/50. Personality is more attractive and will get the tips over a nice face everyday. I'm trying to think of all the times I didn't tip pretty girls. I've tipped funny/smart guys and girls more than I have pretty girls throughout the years.<br />
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If someone makes me smile they're getting my…
work ethic is up to the individual, not the sex. I've worked with lazy men and women, and motivated men and women. I'm sure we all have.<br />
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Sex sells? Well it depends on the sexual preference of the customer. It's 50/50. Personality is more attractive and will get the tips over a nice face everyday. I'm trying to think of all the times I didn't tip pretty girls. I've tipped funny/smart guys and girls more than I have pretty girls throughout the years.<br />
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If someone makes me smile they're getting my business again and again. Hire personality, not sex.<br />
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Now, I've never ever in the past 11 years heard of a customer being lewd toward a female barista. This is actually the first time I've heard about something like that. This makes me sad. Julian Hernandez said:
Where…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-12-16:1688216:Comment:9845062010-12-16T14:20:16.483ZJason Haegerhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JasonHaeger
<p><cite>Julian Hernandez said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A984460&xg_source=msg_com_forum#1688216Comment984460"><div><p>Where I work its 7 girls to 3 guys. I believe in equality, but there is one thing we aren't touching on here. Girls carry many female-specific germs that react poorly with espresso. I once saw three customers come down with violent convulsions and hives from an encounter with a…</p>
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<p><cite>Julian Hernandez said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A984460&xg_source=msg_com_forum#1688216Comment984460"><div><p>Where I work its 7 girls to 3 guys. I believe in equality, but there is one thing we aren't touching on here. Girls carry many female-specific germs that react poorly with espresso. I once saw three customers come down with violent convulsions and hives from an encounter with a "Girlatte", as I have come to call the volatile liquids. It just needs to be said that once you see a man's eyeballs melt from his head from "Girlatte" poisoning you are never the same. That being said, our shop isn't doing so well.....</p>
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<p>oh, and girls make more tips than me.</p>
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<div><p>I think those are known as cooties. I think most people develop a natural immunity as they mature.</p>
</div> Where I work its 7 girls to 3…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-12-16:1688216:Comment:9844602010-12-16T10:33:16.506ZJulian Hernandezhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JulianHernandez
<p>Where I work its 7 girls to 3 guys. I believe in equality, but there is one thing we aren't touching on here. Girls carry many female-specific germs that react poorly with espresso. I once saw three customers come down with violent convulsions and hives from an encounter with a "Girlatte", as I have come to call the volatile liquids. It just needs to be said that once you see a man's eyeballs melt from his head from "Girlatte" poisoning you are never the same. That being said, our shop isn't…</p>
<p>Where I work its 7 girls to 3 guys. I believe in equality, but there is one thing we aren't touching on here. Girls carry many female-specific germs that react poorly with espresso. I once saw three customers come down with violent convulsions and hives from an encounter with a "Girlatte", as I have come to call the volatile liquids. It just needs to be said that once you see a man's eyeballs melt from his head from "Girlatte" poisoning you are never the same. That being said, our shop isn't doing so well.....</p>
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<p>oh, and girls make more tips than me.</p> I don't wanna be the downer..…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-12-06:1688216:Comment:9781432010-12-06T19:31:41.292ZJohn Gibbonshttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JohnGibbons
I don't wanna be the downer...but from my perspective...irrelevant. I don't understand the importance. But why is this under Origin and travel?<br />
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For a completely other side of this, haha, doesn't matter to me. I'm a guy, and it all comes down to how they treat me. My favorite place has a very...oddly balanced crew. They all treat me well, haha so I guess I depends on those guys and gals who are easily captured by the beauty of the opposite sex.
I don't wanna be the downer...but from my perspective...irrelevant. I don't understand the importance. But why is this under Origin and travel?<br />
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For a completely other side of this, haha, doesn't matter to me. I'm a guy, and it all comes down to how they treat me. My favorite place has a very...oddly balanced crew. They all treat me well, haha so I guess I depends on those guys and gals who are easily captured by the beauty of the opposite sex. Honestly,
The fact that this…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-11-29:1688216:Comment:9730702010-11-29T03:56:37.030ZJohn Phttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JohnP49
Honestly,<br />
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The fact that this question needs to be asked and that the resulting intelligent answers need to be questioned shows why so many small businesses fail.<br />
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Common sense is a rarity.
Honestly,<br />
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The fact that this question needs to be asked and that the resulting intelligent answers need to be questioned shows why so many small businesses fail.<br />
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Common sense is a rarity. Yes we do
Brendan said:Whi…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-11-29:1688216:Comment:9730002010-11-29T02:35:26.360ZDeferiohttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Deferio
Yes we do<br />
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<cite>Brendan said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?page=3&commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A972978&x=1#1688216Comment972978"><div>While in theory in a perfect world I would completely agree with Chris. I have to say that the world is a huge place! After living in Europe for many many years and in El Salvador and Guatemala for a few Deferio is correct that socially in most of the world males are the aggressors…</div>
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Yes we do<br />
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<cite>Brendan said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?page=3&commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A972978&x=1#1688216Comment972978"><div>While in theory in a perfect world I would completely agree with Chris. I have to say that the world is a huge place! After living in Europe for many many years and in El Salvador and Guatemala for a few Deferio is correct that socially in most of the world males are the aggressors when it comes to asking girls out etc "perhaps acting creepy". Try travelling in Italy as a blonde girl!!!!:) I am not saying that makes all creepy interactions ok, I am just saying that how MOST of the planet interacts with the opposite sex may be very different from Indiana. And i can say from growing up in Bed Stuyvesant Brooklyn that sitting down with a customer and discussing his/her inappropriate semantics with my baristi is not only inappropriate but a good way to get shot!:) But as a manager I have been strangled by a customer who was disrespecting one of my baristi so we all stick out our necks out from time to time don't we?<br/> <br/>
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<cite>Deferio said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A972968&ampource=msg_com_forum#1688216Comment972968"><div>There is no different standard of dress code but when you as a man are dealing with a woman use some tact when addressing the application of those standards especially when violated. I often would get a female member of management to enforce a dress code when violated. But if that option is not there then just to being gracious and tactful can go far and must be taken into account.<br/> <br/> Your comment about creepy things said to female staff being a part of the human experience...is in itself creepy.<br/> Firstly: there is something definitely wrong with someone who thinks saying inappropriate things is right, Secondly:My rule is this...<br/>
If a man makes a creepy comment to one of my female staff then I will sit him down, tell him to never come back, and that if he does come back I will call the police for sexual harassment.<br/>
Now just think of all the "human experience" in that one. I have only done this once and will not hesitate to do it again.<br/>
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<cite>Chris said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?page=3&commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A972944&x=1#1688216Comment972944"><div><br/> <br/> <cite>Deferio said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A957482&page=3#1688216Comment972721"><div>How to graciously address dress code standards with guys vs. girls)<br/></div>
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There should be a difference between standards of dress between males and females behind the bar?<br/>
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It's simple. Barista at one end of the scale, hooker at the other end. Where on the scale do you want your customers to meet your staff?<br/>
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OTOH, the creepy comments made at your female baristi are part of the human experience, not a problem with your customers. Females are &*not* the risk-takers in msot societies, therefor it is up to the makes to make the advances, and they do it where they find attractive prospective mates. Sociology 101.<br/>
Oh, and the difference between appropriate and creepy hinges on whether the recipient thinks he's dreamy, more often than not.<br/>
The single most effective way t terminate that line of approach is a polite, friendly, 'No, thank you'. If the recipient (man or woman) can indicate that the answer is no, but that they recognsie that the question was brought on by a flattering appreciation of the persons desirable qualities, a friendly understanding can be reached.</div>
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</blockquote> While in theory in a perfect…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-11-29:1688216:Comment:9729782010-11-29T02:22:20.872ZBrendanhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Brendan
While in theory in a perfect world I would completely agree with Chris. I have to say that the world is a huge place! After living in Europe for many many years and in El Salvador and Guatemala for a few Deferio is correct that socially in most of the world males are the aggressors when it comes to asking girls out etc "perhaps acting creepy". Try travelling in Italy as a blonde girl!!!!:) I am not saying that makes all creepy interactions ok, I am just saying that how MOST of the planet…
While in theory in a perfect world I would completely agree with Chris. I have to say that the world is a huge place! After living in Europe for many many years and in El Salvador and Guatemala for a few Deferio is correct that socially in most of the world males are the aggressors when it comes to asking girls out etc "perhaps acting creepy". Try travelling in Italy as a blonde girl!!!!:) I am not saying that makes all creepy interactions ok, I am just saying that how MOST of the planet interacts with the opposite sex may be very different from Indiana. And i can say from growing up in Bed Stuyvesant Brooklyn that sitting down with a customer and discussing his/her inappropriate semantics with my baristi is not only inappropriate but a good way to get shot!:) But as a manager I have been strangled by a customer who was disrespecting one of my baristi so we all stick out our necks out from time to time don't we?<br/>
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<cite>Deferio said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A972968&ampource=msg_com_forum#1688216Comment972968"><div>There is no different standard of dress code but when you as a man are dealing with a woman use some tact when addressing the application of those standards especially when violated. I often would get a female member of management to enforce a dress code when violated. But if that option is not there then just to being gracious and tactful can go far and must be taken into account.<br/> <br/> Your comment about creepy things said to female staff being a part of the human experience...is in itself creepy.<br/>
Firstly: there is something definitely wrong with someone who thinks saying inappropriate things is right, Secondly:My rule is this...<br/>
If a man makes a creepy comment to one of my female staff then I will sit him down, tell him to never come back, and that if he does come back I will call the police for sexual harassment.<br/>
Now just think of all the "human experience" in that one. I have only done this once and will not hesitate to do it again.<br/>
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<cite>Chris said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?page=3&commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A972944&x=1#1688216Comment972944"><div><br/> <br/> <cite>Deferio said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A957482&page=3#1688216Comment972721"><div>How to graciously address dress code standards with guys vs. girls)<br/></div>
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There should be a difference between standards of dress between males and females behind the bar?<br/>
<br/>
It's simple. Barista at one end of the scale, hooker at the other end. Where on the scale do you want your customers to meet your staff?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
OTOH, the creepy comments made at your female baristi are part of the human experience, not a problem with your customers. Females are &*not* the risk-takers in msot societies, therefor it is up to the makes to make the advances, and they do it where they find attractive prospective mates. Sociology 101.<br/>
Oh, and the difference between appropriate and creepy hinges on whether the recipient thinks he's dreamy, more often than not.<br/>
The single most effective way t terminate that line of approach is a polite, friendly, 'No, thank you'. If the recipient (man or woman) can indicate that the answer is no, but that they recognsie that the question was brought on by a flattering appreciation of the persons desirable qualities, a friendly understanding can be reached.</div>
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</blockquote> There is no different standar…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-11-29:1688216:Comment:9729682010-11-29T02:06:54.970ZDeferiohttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Deferio
There is no different standard of dress code but when you as a man are dealing with a woman use some tact when addressing the application of those standards especially when violated. I often would get a female member of management to enforce a dress code when violated. But if that option is not there then just to being gracious and tactful can go far and must be taken into account.<br />
<br />
Your comment about creepy things said to female staff being a part of the human experience...is in itself…
There is no different standard of dress code but when you as a man are dealing with a woman use some tact when addressing the application of those standards especially when violated. I often would get a female member of management to enforce a dress code when violated. But if that option is not there then just to being gracious and tactful can go far and must be taken into account.<br />
<br />
Your comment about creepy things said to female staff being a part of the human experience...is in itself creepy.<br />
Firstly: there is something definitely wrong with someone who thinks saying inappropriate things is right, Secondly:My rule is this...<br />
If a man makes a creepy comment to one of my female staff then I will sit him down, tell him to never come back, and that if he does come back I will call the police for sexual harassment.<br />
Now just think of all the "human experience" in that one. I have only done this once and will not hesitate to do it again.<br />
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<cite>Chris said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?page=3&commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A972944&x=1#1688216Comment972944"><div><br/> <br/>
<cite>Deferio said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A957482&page=3#1688216Comment972721"><div>How to graciously address dress code standards with guys vs. girls)<br/></div>
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There should be a difference between standards of dress between males and females behind the bar?<br/>
<br/>
It's simple. Barista at one end of the scale, hooker at the other end. Where on the scale do you want your customers to meet your staff?<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
OTOH, the creepy comments made at your female baristi are part of the human experience, not a problem with your customers. Females are &*not* the risk-takers in msot societies, therefor it is up to the makes to make the advances, and they do it where they find attractive prospective mates. Sociology 101.<br/>
Oh, and the difference between appropriate and creepy hinges on whether the recipient thinks he's dreamy, more often than not.<br/>
The single most effective way t terminate that line of approach is a polite, friendly, 'No, thank you'. If the recipient (man or woman) can indicate that the answer is no, but that they recognsie that the question was brought on by a flattering appreciation of the persons desirable qualities, a friendly understanding can be reached.</div>
</blockquote> Deferio said:How to graciou…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-11-29:1688216:Comment:9729442010-11-29T01:34:51.192ZChrishttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Chris60
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<cite>Deferio said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A957482&page=3#1688216Comment972721"><div>How to graciously address dress code standards with guys vs. girls)<br></br></div>
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There should be a difference between standards of dress between males and females behind the bar?<br />
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It's simple. Barista at one end of the scale, hooker at the other end. Where on the scale do you want your customers to…
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<cite>Deferio said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/guy-or-girl-barista?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A957482&page=3#1688216Comment972721"><div>How to graciously address dress code standards with guys vs. girls)<br/></div>
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There should be a difference between standards of dress between males and females behind the bar?<br />
<br />
It's simple. Barista at one end of the scale, hooker at the other end. Where on the scale do you want your customers to meet your staff?<br />
<br />
<br />
OTOH, the creepy comments made at your female baristi are part of the human experience, not a problem with your customers. Females are &*not* the risk-takers in msot societies, therefor it is up to the makes to make the advances, and they do it where they find attractive prospective mates. Sociology 101.<br />
Oh, and the difference between appropriate and creepy hinges on whether the recipient thinks he's dreamy, more often than not.<br />
The single most effective way t terminate that line of approach is a polite, friendly, 'No, thank you'. If the recipient (man or woman) can indicate that the answer is no, but that they recognsie that the question was brought on by a flattering appreciation of the persons desirable qualities, a friendly understanding can be reached. addressing the term "sex sell…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-11-28:1688216:Comment:9727212010-11-28T19:37:32.722ZDeferiohttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Deferio
addressing the term "sex sells"<br></br>
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If you don't have good coffee then you have to rely on other means to trick people into giving you their money.<br></br>
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If you think that the sex of your barista is a major issue to the success of your shop then your head is in the wrong place to begin with.<br></br>
And that is why taking this question seriously (other than simply dismissing it as missing the point entirely) is an exercise in futility.<br></br>
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I would like to see a thread instead…
addressing the term "sex sells"<br/>
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If you don't have good coffee then you have to rely on other means to trick people into giving you their money.<br/>
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If you think that the sex of your barista is a major issue to the success of your shop then your head is in the wrong place to begin with.<br/>
And that is why taking this question seriously (other than simply dismissing it as missing the point entirely) is an exercise in futility.<br/>
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I would like to see a thread instead take the tone of how a manager or a barista can work with different types of individuals in harmony and with respect to the persons unique qualities. I do see basic differences in male and female employees and how those differences are handled (for example: How to graciously address dress code standards with guys vs. girls)<br/>
If we hope to grow as professionals then we need to find how to work with and draw out the best in everyone and not posit questions that present or suggest a false dichotomy of choosing between one or the other.