caught my employee using my kitchen for his own business - Barista Exchange2024-03-28T08:52:03Zhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/caught-my-employee-using-my-kitchen-for-his-own-business?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A1392118&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe Problem is the Bakery Man…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-26:1688216:Comment:13921182012-06-26T12:45:56.960ZTom Mohrhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/TomMohr
<p>The Problem is the Bakery Manager . He ask the Bakery manager and they sould of said I will check with the owner. I say the the Bakery manger should know who has the right to use the kitchen and should asked. they passed the buck and did not do there job.</p>
<p>The Problem is the Bakery Manager . He ask the Bakery manager and they sould of said I will check with the owner. I say the the Bakery manger should know who has the right to use the kitchen and should asked. they passed the buck and did not do there job.</p> So I met with him last week a…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-25:1688216:Comment:13915992012-06-25T17:03:47.184Zstephanie crockerhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/stephaniecrocker
<p>So I met with him last week asked him about the incident. He said that he had done a little work for about 2 hours before clocking in. He seemed a little nervous about his response, but I did not push him, nor did I accuse him of doing anything wrong or embarrass him in any way. I simply told him that I have decided that the kitchen is not to be used for personal use.</p>
<p><br></br>In my opinion, even though I did not say he had done anything wrong, I do believe he thought he had been caught…</p>
<p>So I met with him last week asked him about the incident. He said that he had done a little work for about 2 hours before clocking in. He seemed a little nervous about his response, but I did not push him, nor did I accuse him of doing anything wrong or embarrass him in any way. I simply told him that I have decided that the kitchen is not to be used for personal use.</p>
<p><br/>In my opinion, even though I did not say he had done anything wrong, I do believe he thought he had been caught doing something wrong, so he did seem to act a little subdued last week. But soon, I hope that we are able to rebuild the trust that appears to have been temporarily broken (by him going against his manager's advice and not asking me in the first place). We have always had good communication, and I hope to support his goals and aspirations moving forward, for a mutually beneficial relationship.</p> Wow So much negativity!! i do…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-25:1688216:Comment:13915962012-06-25T16:34:32.231Zolivier dutilhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/olivierdutil
<p>Wow So much negativity!! i dont think you should fired him! Before owning my cafe and catering business i was the Head chef of a fancy restaurant for 5 years. once in a while i was geting catering event and the owner of the restaurant always let my use the kitchen in off restaurant hours! But i was asking!!! Now we sell some Gelato Cake and something employe want to make one for there partener , WEll i sell them the product and they can come in there free time and make it like they like .…</p>
<p>Wow So much negativity!! i dont think you should fired him! Before owning my cafe and catering business i was the Head chef of a fancy restaurant for 5 years. once in a while i was geting catering event and the owner of the restaurant always let my use the kitchen in off restaurant hours! But i was asking!!! Now we sell some Gelato Cake and something employe want to make one for there partener , WEll i sell them the product and they can come in there free time and make it like they like . Fire Him? Dont know ? if he is a good employe (wich are hard to fine ) i say next time just ask?. If he is a bad employe ? Well that just give you a easy open door to fire him.? This is my opinion ,</p>
<p></p> Bottom line- he used YOUR res…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-25:1688216:Comment:13917792012-06-25T13:17:22.226ZSarah Thompsonhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/SarahThompson
<p>Bottom line- he used YOUR resources for HIS gain. I would fire him. In my opinion he was trespassing & he committed theft. I have no tolerance for that. My employee & cousin has used my shop in the past to prepare things for cookouts etc. She always asks & compensates for use of electricity & equipment.</p>
<p>Bottom line- he used YOUR resources for HIS gain. I would fire him. In my opinion he was trespassing & he committed theft. I have no tolerance for that. My employee & cousin has used my shop in the past to prepare things for cookouts etc. She always asks & compensates for use of electricity & equipment.</p> John P said:If they don't f…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-21:1688216:Comment:13912832012-06-21T21:15:36.369ZSteffen Müllerhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/SteffenMueller
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<cite>John P said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/caught-my-employee-using-my-kitchen-for-his-own-business#1688216Comment1390675"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>If they don't fear and respect you, then they don't get it. </p>
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<br></br> Certainly there should be respect - and that's IMHO a bi-drectional thing. But fear ? Is is possible that the employee felt fear that prevented him from asking ? At least he…
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<br/> Certainly there should be respect - and that's IMHO a bi-drectional thing. But fear ? Is is possible that the employee felt fear that prevented him from asking ? At least he was asking his manager. So if the manager was unsure he could have supported the employee when approaching you. It also depends on the employees cultural background. Skipping someone in the line of command and approaching you directly could be a no go for him.<p>So all in all, I'd take it as an aduld, explain to him your feelings and make clear that there's no problem in asking for permission in case his line manager is not able to tell him.</p> Keep in mind that he could ha…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-20:1688216:Comment:13912592012-06-20T23:05:04.068ZSarah Gramlowhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/SarahGramlow
<p>Keep in mind that he could have broken health code.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that he could have broken health code.</p> Trust has to be earned. In th…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-19:1688216:Comment:13907572012-06-19T07:56:19.390ZAmelia Janehttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/AmeliaSuzaini
<p>Trust has to be earned. In this case it didn't.</p>
<p>Trust has to be earned. In this case it didn't.</p> It sounds like you do a lot o…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-18:1688216:Comment:13906752012-06-18T22:57:44.732ZJohn Phttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JohnP49
<p>It sounds like you do a lot of good things for your employees.</p>
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<p>Is it possible they see you as a friend and not as a boss? It's ok to be friends, but the employees should always see you as a boss first. Being respected should come worlds before being liked. If they don't fear and respect you, then they don't get it. </p>
<p>It sounds like you do a lot of good things for your employees.</p>
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<p>Is it possible they see you as a friend and not as a boss? It's ok to be friends, but the employees should always see you as a boss first. Being respected should come worlds before being liked. If they don't fear and respect you, then they don't get it. </p> Firstly;
One question you sho…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-18:1688216:Comment:13905562012-06-18T18:20:21.001ZAlexhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Alex21
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<p>One question you should ask yourself is: why did your employee feel he <em>couldn't </em>ask you for permission to use the kitchen? It's not as simple as "he lied, he went behind my back" there is also the fact that he was comfortable enough to ask his manager, but not you; so this isn't entirely about him.</p>
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<p>If he used his own ingredients and did it on his own time, I don't think trust should really be an issue. A simple "Don't do it again…</p>
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<p>One question you should ask yourself is: why did your employee feel he <em>couldn't </em>ask you for permission to use the kitchen? It's not as simple as "he lied, he went behind my back" there is also the fact that he was comfortable enough to ask his manager, but not you; so this isn't entirely about him.</p>
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<p>If he used his own ingredients and did it on his own time, I don't think trust should really be an issue. A simple "Don't do it again without asking" is enough and leave it at that. </p>
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<p></p> Thanks so much for the feedba…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-06-18:1688216:Comment:13904692012-06-18T17:51:02.753Zstephanie crockerhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/stephaniecrocker
Thanks so much for the feedback which has helped me clear my thoughts so that I don't have a destructive conversation with my employee.<br />
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I do believe I am a very fair boss. I buy my good staff shoes. I buy everybody lunch. I take them out for drinks. I let them have time off anytime they request it. I take a pay cut so they are sure to keep their same number of hours. My staff is very important to me, which is why when they lie (which this person has just done to his manager) I suppose I take…
Thanks so much for the feedback which has helped me clear my thoughts so that I don't have a destructive conversation with my employee.<br />
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I do believe I am a very fair boss. I buy my good staff shoes. I buy everybody lunch. I take them out for drinks. I let them have time off anytime they request it. I take a pay cut so they are sure to keep their same number of hours. My staff is very important to me, which is why when they lie (which this person has just done to his manager) I suppose I take it a little personally. But I know it is just a business, and I hope that I ican rebuild my trust in this person (and it seems him in me) once a clear policy is put into place.<br />
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I do have compassion in this situation. I did the exact same thing when I was his age; however I didn't lie about it. I hope he can trust me enough to tell me the truth.