Help! - Barista Exchange2024-03-28T09:56:56Zhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/1688216:Topic:755140?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A798567&feed=yes&xn_auth=noBrady, it has been about a ye…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2012-01-16:1688216:Comment:13409302012-01-16T15:59:01.258ZMatthewhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Matthew323
<p>Brady, it has been about a year now. Have you seen better results from your clever, have opinions changed?</p>
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<p>Brady, it has been about a year now. Have you seen better results from your clever, have opinions changed?</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/1688216:Topic:755140?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A755901#1688216Comment756397"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><cite>Adam said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/1688216:Topic:755140?page=1&commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A756211&x=1#1688216Comment755901"><div>Thanks for the replies:<br/> The difference in the Clever is that it has the plug in the bottom.</div>
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<br/> Understood. I own a Clever and prefer the Melitta. Yet to have a superior cup from a Clever, or even hear that it is to be expected.</div>
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</blockquote> Nah, you don't need help. You…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-03-11:1688216:Comment:7985992010-03-11T17:29:28.651ZDaniel Hohttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/DanielHo
Nah, you don't need help. You're safe here among friends. :-)<br />
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Call me when you start on your espresso journey! heh<br />
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Enjoy the ride. Life is too short to drink bad coffee!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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<cite>Adam said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/1688216:Topic:755140?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A798567&xg_source=msg_com_forum#1688216Comment798567"><div>...There are so many manual methods I might have to get a few more to add to my arsenal! Moka Pot, Chemex, on and on…</div>
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Nah, you don't need help. You're safe here among friends. :-)<br />
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Call me when you start on your espresso journey! heh<br />
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Enjoy the ride. Life is too short to drink bad coffee!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
d.<br />
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<cite>Adam said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com/forum/topics/1688216:Topic:755140?commentId=1688216%3AComment%3A798567&xg_source=msg_com_forum#1688216Comment798567"><div>...There are so many manual methods I might have to get a few more to add to my arsenal! Moka Pot, Chemex, on and on ...somebody help me!!</div>
</blockquote> I purchased a Clever Coffee D…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-03-11:1688216:Comment:7985672010-03-11T16:54:36.134ZAdamhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Adam415
I purchased a Clever Coffee Dripper at the Coffee Fest in NYC a couple of weeks ago. I had a gift cert. for Sur La Table and armed with a lower price from the internet, I purchased the Kitchenaid Proline coffee grinder. I also got a scale.<br />
So now I have the CCD, scale and grinder, wow. I like the look of the kettle and the fact that you can control the pour, but it is really annoying that they are not readily available for purchase. Oh well, I'll look for something else with the same type of…
I purchased a Clever Coffee Dripper at the Coffee Fest in NYC a couple of weeks ago. I had a gift cert. for Sur La Table and armed with a lower price from the internet, I purchased the Kitchenaid Proline coffee grinder. I also got a scale.<br />
So now I have the CCD, scale and grinder, wow. I like the look of the kettle and the fact that you can control the pour, but it is really annoying that they are not readily available for purchase. Oh well, I'll look for something else with the same type of spout. I like the coffee I am getting from the CCD so far. There are so many manual methods I might have to get a few more to add to my arsenal! Moka Pot, Chemex, on and on ...somebody help me!! In a shop environment, defini…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-03-11:1688216:Comment:7983702010-03-11T07:41:44.113ZJames Liuhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JamesLiu
In a shop environment, definitely Clever over V60. To get a decent extraction, your barista needs a lot more face-time with the V60 than with a Clever. Attention better devoted to the next cup, or to a customer, or anywhere else.<br />
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You should try the spout on that cheapie Procter Silex I have. If it's less than 3/4 full of water (almost always, who ever pours a liter at a time anyway?) I get very close to what I can manage with a Buono.<br />
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Don't get me started on why not to get a press pot.…
In a shop environment, definitely Clever over V60. To get a decent extraction, your barista needs a lot more face-time with the V60 than with a Clever. Attention better devoted to the next cup, or to a customer, or anywhere else.<br />
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You should try the spout on that cheapie Procter Silex I have. If it's less than 3/4 full of water (almost always, who ever pours a liter at a time anyway?) I get very close to what I can manage with a Buono.<br />
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Don't get me started on why not to get a press pot. Really, don't. Hi Adam! Am I correct to assu…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-03-11:1688216:Comment:7982262010-03-11T03:37:01.744ZDaniel Hohttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/DanielHo
Hi Adam! Am I correct to assume that you want this for home use?<br />
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I think that you should spend the money on a good grinder. The Barazata that everyone is talking about is a goodie. I think they can be had rebranded from Starbucks...they go on sale a couple times a year.<br />
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As for manual pour over, this is dead simple. I like Chemex, but really you even just stretch a large filter over a measuring cup. Some of the best coffee that I've ever had came from a "coffee sock" which are cotton muslin…
Hi Adam! Am I correct to assume that you want this for home use?<br />
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I think that you should spend the money on a good grinder. The Barazata that everyone is talking about is a goodie. I think they can be had rebranded from Starbucks...they go on sale a couple times a year.<br />
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As for manual pour over, this is dead simple. I like Chemex, but really you even just stretch a large filter over a measuring cup. Some of the best coffee that I've ever had came from a "coffee sock" which are cotton muslin reusable filters available in most latin-american grocery stores ("colador de cafe"). They seem to be popular with the Japanese and Koreans as well.<br />
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Now a fancy kettle, I'd love one too. Don't really have space for more gadgets so I make do with what I have...but the ability to put water anywhere I like is pretty appealing. It's OK to say that here, right? I'm among fellow coffee geeks? :-) I dont think the kettle is ov…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-03-10:1688216:Comment:7975292010-03-10T06:00:08.498ZErichttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Brewwright
I dont think the kettle is over-rated, actually i have seen an increase in quality both at home in all my manual pouring methods, and at our shop with our pour over bars. The steady stream and flow that is created provides insane control that is needed if you want a good gravity driven coffee method in addition to a more even extraction of your brewed coffee.<br />
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I dont think the kettle is over-rated, actually i have seen an increase in quality both at home in all my manual pouring methods, and at our shop with our pour over bars. The steady stream and flow that is created provides insane control that is needed if you want a good gravity driven coffee method in addition to a more even extraction of your brewed coffee.<br />
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<cite>James Liu said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.baristaexchange.com//forum/topics/1688216:Topic:755140?id=1688216%3ATopic%3A755140&page=2#1688216Comment797488"><div>The Buono is overrated.<br/> <br/>
Don't get me wrong. It's really nice to be able to put hot water where you want it. But it doesn't show the sort of build quality I want for something that I'll be handling before I've had my first cup of coffee.<br/>
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I can direct water almost as well with my cheapie Procoter-Sliex 1L electric kettle as with a Buono. Admittedly, my P-S isn't quite as good. But for the $45 price difference... Plus my kettle boils water on top pouring it.</div>
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As far as the whole issue of what should be logically used in a shop. I personally would use the V60s on a pour over bar for a cup by cup basis, chemex for groups of people, and clevers, solos and siphons for special occasions because of the timing and potential quality problems and restraints one could have in a high volume situation. You are looking for quality vs profitability on the time spent making these drinks am i correct? Also for the money on a grinder i would go with a baratza for the low volume but would use a small ditting or something to that extent in a busier cafe environment. I think stumptown does french press into an airpot and dump the unused every 20 minutes if im not mistaken, this is also an idea...<br />
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Finally besides brewing methods, i would recommend not to be cheap on getting good equipment and proper technique because all that does is create a misrepresentation of the coffee and thats no good for the business or the coffee... The Buono is overrated.
Don'…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-03-10:1688216:Comment:7974882010-03-10T05:17:40.948ZJames Liuhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JamesLiu
The Buono is overrated.<br />
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Don't get me wrong. It's really nice to be able to put hot water where you want it. But it doesn't show the sort of build quality I want for something that I'll be handling before I've had my first cup of coffee.<br />
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I can direct water almost as well with my cheapie Procoter-Sliex 1L electric kettle as with a Buono. Admittedly, my P-S isn't quite as good. But for the $45 price difference... Plus my kettle boils water on top pouring it.
The Buono is overrated.<br />
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Don't get me wrong. It's really nice to be able to put hot water where you want it. But it doesn't show the sort of build quality I want for something that I'll be handling before I've had my first cup of coffee.<br />
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I can direct water almost as well with my cheapie Procoter-Sliex 1L electric kettle as with a Buono. Admittedly, my P-S isn't quite as good. But for the $45 price difference... Plus my kettle boils water on top pouring it. So, since my last post I've h…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-03-10:1688216:Comment:7974602010-03-10T04:36:37.695ZLorenzo Perkinshttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Lorenzo
So, since my last post I've had A LOT more manual brew coffee. Syhphon, Hario V60, Chemex, Press Pot...<br />
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The best coffee I make at home comes from my Yama 5 cup and Virtuoso grinder. It's a pricier home setup, but it's pretty tasty. You can skip the syphon and pour overs and just go with a solid Press Pot. No fuss, easy clean up, hard to eff up. Just don't skimp on your grinder. If price is an issue, take a look at the Zassenhaus hand mills. Under $100 conical burr grinder, not too shabby. DO…
So, since my last post I've had A LOT more manual brew coffee. Syhphon, Hario V60, Chemex, Press Pot...<br />
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The best coffee I make at home comes from my Yama 5 cup and Virtuoso grinder. It's a pricier home setup, but it's pretty tasty. You can skip the syphon and pour overs and just go with a solid Press Pot. No fuss, easy clean up, hard to eff up. Just don't skimp on your grinder. If price is an issue, take a look at the Zassenhaus hand mills. Under $100 conical burr grinder, not too shabby. DO NOT BUY A HARIO SKERTON. They are stupidly inconsistant at coarser grind sizes.<br />
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But a Zassenhaus and a Press Pot would be extremely economical AND delicious. Hi all:
Does anyone know whe…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-03-09:1688216:Comment:7970542010-03-09T19:26:25.384ZAdamhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/Adam415
Hi all:<br />
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Does anyone know where I can find this kettle for sale in New York City? I don't want to have to order it online and then pay shipping.<br />
<a href="http://shop.barismo.com/equipment/buonokettle" target="_blank">http://shop.barismo.com/equipment/buonokettle</a><br />
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Thanks!
Hi all:<br />
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Does anyone know where I can find this kettle for sale in New York City? I don't want to have to order it online and then pay shipping.<br />
<a href="http://shop.barismo.com/equipment/buonokettle" target="_blank">http://shop.barismo.com/equipment/buonokettle</a><br />
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Thanks! Get all 3! They're so differe…tag:www.baristaexchange.com,2010-01-23:1688216:Comment:7570822010-01-23T23:49:47.830ZJames Liuhttps://www.baristaexchange.com/profile/JamesLiu
Get all 3! They're so different in character. I love them all.<br />
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If you're feeling cheap, skip the Cafe Solo. You can get the same character of coffee with a bowl and some soup spoons (scrape off the crust cupping-style). Plus Eva Solo lost their distribution in the USA, so good luck finding one.<br />
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I'm rolling with Clevers as my only brewed coffee at my shop. They're working out great so far. It's like the $13.50 version of a Clover.
Get all 3! They're so different in character. I love them all.<br />
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If you're feeling cheap, skip the Cafe Solo. You can get the same character of coffee with a bowl and some soup spoons (scrape off the crust cupping-style). Plus Eva Solo lost their distribution in the USA, so good luck finding one.<br />
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I'm rolling with Clevers as my only brewed coffee at my shop. They're working out great so far. It's like the $13.50 version of a Clover.